Calvinism:
Politics, Not Just Predestination
When many people hear "Calvinism" mentioned, they think about
"the five points of Calvinism," or perhaps just "that odious
doctrine" of "Predestination." This Website supports Predestination.
It is a position held by very few people. If this were the only measure of
success, Calvin would be a failure. But Calvin had a greater influence when it
came to creating civil governments and guaranteeing political liberties. And if
the Calvinist ideas which had the most impact on American political thinking
were consistently implemented, the result would be Calvinist
Anarcho-Capitalism.
Extremes of Opinion
Here is an exchange from a Discussion
Board on America On Line (link works only for AOL subscribers).
Subject: Calvin's America
Date: 4/28/2001 10:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: KEVIN4VFT
Message-id: <20010429015507.26539.00001469@ng-bk1.aol.com>
I wrote:
See John Eidsmoe's biographical essay
on Adams in Christianity and the Constitution, pp. 257-96.
In message-id:
<20010429004401.13099.00000940@ng-ci1.aol.com> dated: 4/28/2001 9:44 PM
Pacific Daylight Time, RJohnson64 writes:
Is
this the same John Eidsmoe who, in one of his words, affirmatively quoted
Ranke's statement that "John Calvin is the virtual founder of
America"?
I
don't recall Eidsmoe quoting Ranke, I think he was quoting John Adams.
You may be thinking of Lorraine Boettner:
http://reformed-theology.org/html/issue06/calvin.htm
http://www.ccel.org/b/boettner/predest/28.htm
See also Steve Wilkins:
http://www.gbt.org/wilkins/causes_of_the_war_of_independenc4.htm
Also:
http://www.avision1.com/biblical_worldview/BWV_00/BWV06-2.html
http://incolor.inebraska.com/stuart/ajc.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a397351b419af.htm
http://www.biblehistory.com/Presbyterian.html
http://www.berea-baptist.org/historical.htm
http://www.bighole.com/church/christianpatriots.htm
http://nt.watauga.k12.nc.us/whs/id/chpt3.htm
http://www.nacnet.org/baptist/arnjuly7.htm
Also:
http://www.flash.net/~jaybanks/books/reformed/history.htm
- The
fanatic for Calvinism was a fanatic for liberty; and, in the moral warfare
for freedom, his creed was his most faithful counsellor and his
never-failing support.
For "New England was a religious plantation, not a plantation for
trade. The profession of the purity of doctrine, worship, and discipline was
written on her forehead." "We all," says
the confederacy in one of the two oldest of American written constitutions,
"came into these parts of America to enjoy the liberties of the gospel
in purity and peace." "He that made religion as twelve, and the
world as thirteen, had not the spirit of a true New England man."
Religion was the object of the emigrants, and it was their consolation. With
this the wounds of the outcast were healed, and the tears of exile
sweetened.
-
- The
influence of Calvin can be traced in every New England village
- George
Bancroft, History of the United States, Vol.2, p.138 - p.139
-
- Much
of this sentiment may be traced to the influence exerted by the opinions of
one man, John Calvin. "We boast of our common schools, Calvin was the
father of popular education, the inventor of free schools. The Pilgrims of
Plymouth were Calvinists; the best influences of South Carolina came from
the Calvinists of France. William Penn was the disciple of the Huguenots;
the ships from Holland that first brought colonists to Manhattan were filled
with Calvinists. He that will not honor the memory and respect the
influence of Calvin, knows but little of the origin of American liberty.
He bequeathed to the world a republican spirit in religion, with the kindred
principles of republican liberty."
- William
Jackman, History of the American Nation, Vol.2, p.394
-
- Their
value today to the student of American civilization is found chiefly in the
light they throw on Puritanism and Calvinism as influences in the making of
New England culture from which, some 200 years after Cotton's day, American
literature flowered in the American Renaissance
- A
Guide to the Study of the USA, Library of Congress 1960, p.5
Subject: Re: Calvin's America
Date: 4/29/2001 3:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: KEVIN4VFT
Message-id: <20010429185643.08372.00000094@ng-fa1.aol.com>
In message-id:
<20010429091358.13344.00001413@ng-ci1.aol.com> dated: 4/29/2001 6:13 AM
Pacific Daylight Time, RJohnson64 writes:
> Kevin posts: The
fanatic for Calvinism was a fanatic for liberty;
> and, in the moral warfare
for freedom, his creed was his most
> faithful
counsellor and his never-failing support.
>
> RJohnson: Interesting.
Of the list I posted regarding the religious affiliations
>
of
the founders, how many of them would you classify as Calvinist?
>
>
Kevin:
Politically,
virtually all of them were Calvinists.
>
> Calvinism
is a political philosophy??? Color me confused,
but
>
I
was under the impression that Calvinism was a theological
>
philosophy
that transcended politics. I'm curious what criteria
>
you
use to classify Calvinism as a political philosophy.
The
judgments of Calvinists, as well as non-Calvinist historians.
>
>
If
it is the predestination aspect, I might remind you that a good
>
number
of the founders wrote avidly against predestination,
>
Jefferson
being perhaps the most vocal of these.
>
>
However,
I am interested in your support for this, so I will hold
>
until
you provide more information.
I hardly know where to begin. It's like meeting a primitive native of a lost
continent who, having heard bits and pieces of info about a land far away, has
the idea that being an "American" means playing a game called
"baseball." Where do you begin telling this man that the differences
between his culture and "America" are far greater than an occasional
game of baseball?
A
person who only believes in predestination is a very truncated Calvinist. In
fact, a person whose views on predestination do not shape his politics doesn't
believe in predestination at all.
"Predestination"
is just the tip of the iceberg of a view of life which begins with the absolute
sovereignty of God. It affirms the Creator-creature distinction as basic to
metaphysics and ethics, and "the Crown-rights of Christ the King" in
every area of life.
I
guess I would direct you first to the lectures delivered
by the Prime Minister of the Netherlands at Princeton University in 1898.
These lectures are still in print, so far as I know.
http://www.kuyper.org/stone/preface.html
That
site says:
Dr.
Abraham Kuyper (1837-1920) was a Dutch Calvinist theologian, philosopher and
politician. As leader of the Anti-Revolutionary Party in the Netherlands he
served as Prime Minister of his country from 1901 to 1905. A man of immense
talents and indefatigable energy, he occupied himself with the task of
reconstructing the social structures of his native land on the basis of its
Calvinistic heritage in almost every area of life. He was editor of two
Christian newspapers for over forty-five years, served his country as a member
of parliament for over thirty years; in 1880 he founded the Free University of
Amsterdam in which he occupied himself as teacher and administrator, and still
found time to publish over 200 volumes of intellectually challenging material
including Encyclopaedia of Sacred Theology, The Work of the Holy Spirit,
and the classic devotional text To Be Near Unto God. At his seventieth
birthday celebrations in 1907 it was said of him that “The history of the
Netherlands in Church, in State, in Society, in Press, in School, and in the
Sciences of the last forty years, cannot be written without the mention of his
name on almost every page.”
His Lectures
on Calvinism uncover
the riches of Calvinism as not just a set of theological dogmas but more
importantly as the foundation of a whole view of life.
- H.
Henry Meeter, The Basic Ideas of Calvinism, 1939, writes:
- Calvinism
does not restrict itself to theology; but it is an all-comprehensive system
of thought, including within its scope views on politics, society, science,
and art as well as theology. It presents a view of life and of the universe
as a whole -- a world- and life-view.
- http://www.gospelcom.net/thehighway/Calvinism_Meeter.html
Another
Dutch Calvinist on the Sovereignty of God and its relation to all of human
culture:
http://www.visi.com/~contra_m/ab/cc/CandC.pdf
Max
Weber and R.H. Tawney have explored the Calvinist roots of American capitalism.
Ernst Troeltsch can also be consulted here. See the Journal published 50 years
ago, Progressive Calvinism:
http://www.visi.com/~contra_m/pc/
"Federalism,"
"representative government," "social contract" -- these are
ideas which are nothing else than political
presbyterianism. The British called the American Revolution "The
Presbyterian Revolt."
- George
Bancroft, History of the United States, Vol.4,
Chapter 1: America Sustains the Town of Boston, May 1774, p.9
- New
York anticipated the prayer of Boston. Its people, who had received the port
act direly from England, felt the wrong to that town as a wound to
themselves, and even the lukewarm kindled with resentment. From the epoch of
the stamp act, their Sons of Liberty, styled by the royalists "the
Presbyterian junto," had kept up a committee of correspondence.
On
politics:
- Russell
Kirk, The Roots of American Order, p. 236
- Politically,
the tendency of Protestantism was toward democracy. Luther preached
obedience to legitimate princes; Calvin established at Geneva a kind of
aristocratic republic of virtue, governed in effect by presbyters (ministers
and elders of the church). Yet the idea of the priesthood of all believers
gradually would be transferred from the realm of religion to the realm of
politics. The presbyterian form of Calvinism especially would become a
forerunner of democratic institutions, even though in the beginning it had
more nearly resembled the ancient Hebrew concept of theocracy.
-
- Kirk,
The Roots of American Order, p.256
- The
relatively democratic form of church government in Presbyterian Scotland
passed over to Presbyterian churches in America, and presently began to
influence the pattern of colonial politics. The idea of a Covenant, as
declaration and frame of a common national purpose, would form part of the
background of the Americans' Declaration of Independence and of the federal
Constitution.
No less important, as influence upon the roots of American order, was the
character which Knox and his allies gave to the Scottish people. The typical
Presbyterian Scot was earnestly religious, frugal, and enterprising: he drew
strength from his austere creed. He tended to be independent in judgment and
assertive of his rights. The doctrines of justification by faith and of
predestination made him God-fearing and stern of purpose, often. These were
people well framed for civilizing a new land, and they began to settle in
large numbers in the American colonies even in the seventeenth century. When
the Act of Union, at the beginning of the eighteenth century, united the
Scottish and English crowns and settled all parliamentary authority at
Westminster, Scots poured into the Thirteen Colonies; so did their cousins,
by race and religion, of Ulster.
Throughout the empire that Britain created in the eighteenth and nineteenth
centuries, Scots even more than Englishmen prospered as administrators,
soldiers, and merchants. In America as elsewhere, Scottish settlers often
had the advantage of a sound schooling; only the Puritans of New England
exceeded them in emphasis upon learning. [p.257] Popular education,
nationally authorized, from elementary schools through the four Scottish
universities, was Knox's aspiration, second only to his passion for
establishing a religious faith drawn directly from the Bible. Such schooling
was necessary, if the people were to be sufficiently literate to understand
the Scriptures well.
-
- Alain
Besançon, "The Church Embraces Democracy,"
Crisis Magazine, Vol. 13, No. 8, September 1995, p. 34
- Madison's
point of view is doubtless connected with the idea of tolerance as it had
been developed by Locke and the Anglo-French Enlightenment. But it also
contains a trace of biblical influence. American Calvinism retained, against
the optimism of the European Enlightenment, the consciousness of original
sin. Madison did not seek to render man good, nor did he count on his
goodness. He knew man's corruption and, thus, deployed what I will call the
strategy of Babel. Following the Eternal, who had dispersed men so that they
could not unite in the project of a fatally bad goal, Madison dispersed
citizens into innumerable interest groups and religious denominations, in
order to render them incapable of building the totalitarian city, of
persecuting and oppressing one another, which would happen if a denomination
became powerful enough to impose its will politically. Since men, because of
original sin, see their most sublime enterprises (and especially those) turn
to disaster and to crime, let us divide them so that they will only be
capable of partial and localized evils.
- George
Bancroft points out that Locke's political ideas were not
"enlightenment" ideas, but were largely lifted from Calvinists:
History of the United States, Vol. 5, p. 229
- In
1688 England contracted to the Netherlands the highest debt that one nation
can owe to another. Herself not knowing how to recover her liberties, they
were restored by men of the United Provinces; and Locke
brought back from his exile in that country the theory on government which
had been formed by the Calvinists of the continent, and which made his chief
political work the text-book of the friends of free institutions for a
century.
Dutch
Calvinism, of course, has its roots in the Reformation, and the Calvin-Knox side
more than the Lutheran. Secularists would like us to believe that American
political ideas sprang full-grown out of the head of Jefferson. This is either
ignorance or secularist deception.
http://www.visi.com/~contra_m/cm/features/cm10_fed.html
http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/romans13rev.htm
http://www.visi.com/~contra_m/cm/features/cm10_samson.html
Here
is an analysis of the impact of Dutch Calvinism in America:
http://www.acton.org/publicat/m_and_m/1998_Mar/bolt.html
http://www.visi.com/~contra_m/cm/features/cm10_jones.html
- Jean
Bethke Elshtain, "Protestant Communalism."
Crisis Magazine, October 1995, p.41
- That
his basic thesis will surprise and disturb many in the academy, perhaps
tells us more about the academy than it does about American politics and
history. Political theorist George Armstrong Kelly, in a brilliant and much
ignored book, Politics and Religious Consciousness in America,
published over twenty years ago, argued that it was impossible to understand
American history and life without coming to grips with the
"fragmenting" offshoots of Calvinist orthodoxy that quite
literally peopled and defined the American republic.
Shain shows that the doctrines of original sin and human depravity grounded
much of the political theory and practice of the day. But again, he treats
the doctrines as Calvinist or Reformed, although his evidence shows that,
within the limits here applicable, the Reformed theologians shared this
ground with other Christians. Since he is right to stress the dominance of
the Reformed churches, the criticism might seem a pedantic quibble.
-
- Paul
Gottfried, "Concepts of Government."
Modern Age: A Quarterly Review, Vol. 37, No. 3, p.267
- To
me it seems remarkable that one can discuss European and American
republicanism without analyzing its Calvinist roots. The one reference by
Rahe to Calvin is to the Protestant reformer's critical opinion of classical
virtue. More important from a political and theoretical standpoint, how did
the Calvinist ideas of Covenant and the right to rebellion influence English
Puritans, Scottish Presbyterians, French Huguenots, and New England
Congregationalists? Such a question is still asked in history classes, and
for good reason.
- Kirk,
The Roots of American Order, p.212
- Because
the colonies were governed from London, sometimes Scottish contributions to
young America are neglected by historians. But much of America's early
energy, in politics, commerce, and on the frontier, was that of Scots—who
would become more successful in America than any other ethnic group except
the New England Puritans. James Wilson, signer of the Declaration of
Independence, member of the Constitutional Convention, a principal author of
the Constitution, and later an associate justice of the Supreme Court, was
one of the more ardent advocates of popular sovereignty; he had been born
and schooled at the Scottish university town of St. Andrews. Scottish
Presbyterianism worked intricately upon American life and character.
-
- Kirk,
The Roots of American Order, p.230
- The
vast majority of people in the Thirteen Colonies professed the Christian
religion in one or another of its Protestant aspects—chiefly in
Anglicanism, in Puritanism (an offshoot of Calvinism), or in Presbyterianism
(another outgrowth of Calvinism).
The
Calvinist who believes in a Sovereign God will not allow any king or prince to
claim a similar sovereignty.
Predestination
was not so much the basis for Calvinist politics; God's Law served that
function. But predestination animated Calvin's followers and gave them
the drive to overthrow tyrants (cf. Heb. 11).
- What
Calvin placed in the center of his thinking was not predestination, but the
theocracy after the manner of the Old Testament, and it was this that gave
Calvinism its tremendous fighting edge and its political significance.
- Thomas
Cuming Hall, "Religion and American Capitalism," The Religious
Background of American Culture, Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1930,
p. 211.
http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/Kirk-Calvinism.htm
- George
Bancroft, History of the United States, Vol. 1, pp. 608-10
- The
political character of Calvinism, which, with one consent and with
instinctive judgment, the monarchs of that day, except that of Prussia,
feared as republicanism, and which Charles II declared a religion unfit for
a gentleman, is expressed in a single word—predestination. Did a proud
aristocracy trace its lineage through generations of a high-born ancestry,
the republican reformer, with a loftier pride, invaded the invisible world,
and from the book of life brought down the record of the noblest rank,
decreed from all eternity by the King of kings. His converts defied the
opposing world as a world of reprobates, whom God had despised and rejected.
To them the senses were a totally depraved foundation, on which neither
truth nor goodness could rest.
They went forth in confidence that men who were kindling with the same
exalted instincts would listen to their voice, and be effectually
"called into the brunt of the battle" by their side. And, standing
serenely amid the crumbling fabrics of centuries of superstitions, they had
faith in one another; and the martyrdoms of Cambray, the fires of
Smithfield, the surrender of benefices by two thousand non-conforming
Presbyterians, attest their perseverance.
Such was the system which, for a century and a half, assumed the
guardianship of liberty for the English world. "A wicked tyrant is
better than a wicked war," said Luther, preaching non-resistance; and
Cranmer echoed back: "God's people are called to render obedience to
governors, although they be wicked or wrong-doers, and in no case to
resist." English Calvinism reserved the right of resisting tyranny. To
advance intellectual freedom, Calvinism denied, absolutely denied, the
sacrament of ordination, thus breaking up the great monopoly of priestcraft,
and knowing no master, mediator, or teacher but the eternal reason.
"Kindle the fire before my face," said Jerome, meekly, as he
resigned himself to his fate; to quench the fires of persecution forever,
Calvinism resisted with fire and blood, and, shouldering the musket, proved,
as a foot-soldier, that, on the field of battle, the invention of gunpowder
had levelled the plebeian and the knight. To restrain absolute monarchy in
France, in Scotland, in England, it allied itself with the party of the
past, the decaying feudal aristocracy, which it was sure to outlive; for
protection against feudal aristocracy, it infused itself into the mercantile
class and the inferior gentry; to secure a life in the public mind, in
Geneva, in Scotland, wherever it gained dominion, it invoked intelligence
for the people, and in every parish planted the common school.
In an age of commerce, to stamp its influence on the New World, it went on
board the fleet of Winthrop, and was wafted to the bay of Massachusetts. Is
it denied that events follow principles, that mind rules the world? The
institutions of Massachusetts were the exact counterpart of its religious
system. Calvinism claimed heaven for the elect; Massachusetts gave
franchises to the members of the visible church, and inexorably
disfranchised churchmen, royalists, and all world's people. Calvinism
overthrew priestcraft; in Massachusetts, none but the magistrate could
marry; the brethren could ordain. Calvinism saw in goodness infinite joy, in
evil infinite woe, and, recognising no other abiding distinctions, opposed
secretly but surely hereditary monarchy, aristocracy, and bondage;
Massachusetts owned no king but the king of heaven, no aristocracy but of
the redeemed, no bondage but the hopeless, infinite, and eternal bondage of
sin. Calvinism invoked intelligence against satan, the great enemy of the
human race; and the farmers and seamen of Massachusetts nourished its
college with gifts of corn and strings of wampum, and wherever there were
families, built the free school.
Bancroft,
the Unitarian, does not really understand Calvinism as a political philosophy,
part of a unified weltänschauüng. But as a historian he was able to see
the political effects of Calvinism, and able (unlike modern historians) to
report it.
The
separation of churches and state (a completely different doctrine than the
modern myth of "separation of church and state) is a Calvinist doctrine.
See
also:
J.
T. McNeil, The History and Character of Calvinism.
http://www.reformed.org/ethics/Jordan_judicial_laws_Moses.html
- Calvinism
has had a greater influence on human history and institutions than any other
theology ever formulated . . . .
- C.
Gregg Singer, John Calvin: His Roots and Fruits
"Presbyterianism in America," by Singer
http://www.fpcjackson.org/resources/apologetics/story.htm
(About C. Gregg
Singer)
The American Dream, Puritan
Version.
"Horace
Mann, the End of Free-Market Education, and the Rise of Government Schools"
notes that Mann was in rebellion against his Calvinist upbringing:
http://www.mackinac.org/print.asp?ID=3256#_edn2
From
Reformation to Revolution: 1500-1650
http://capo.org/premise/96/mar/p960304.html
Much
more could be given.
Calvinism
has had more impact politically than theologically (when
"theologically" is defined merely in terms of
"predestination" and who goes where when they die.)
Kevin C.
http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/index.htm
---------------------------------------------
And they shall beat their swords into plowshares
and sit under their Vine & Fig Tree.
Micah 4:1-7
Subject: Re: Calvin's America
Date: 4/29/2001 8:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: KEVIN4VFT
Message-id: <20010429230058.24934.00001035@ng-fj1.aol.com>
I wrote:
A person who only believes in predestination is a very truncated Calvinist. In
fact, a person whose views on predestination do not shape his politics doesn't
believe in predestination at all.
In message-id:
<20010429211950.26794.00000138@ng-fw1.aol.com> dated: 4/29/2001 6:19 PM
Pacific Daylight Time, RJohnson64 writes:
But
of course, a person who denies the doctrine of predestination is hardly
considered a Calvinist, whatever else that person may believe. Would you
agree with that?
No,
at least politically speaking, which is what this Message Board is all about. A
person can be an atheist and have political
views which are staunchly Calvinist, especially if he was raised a staunch
Calvinist and moved toward deism only in theological terms.
- Russell
Kirk, speaking of Fisher Ames, the author of the First Amendment, in The
Conservative Mind from Burke to Eliot, p.84:
- Of
all the terrors of democracy, the worst is its destruction of moral habits.
"A democratick society will soon find its morals the encumbrance of its
race, the surly companion of its licentious joys….In a word, there will
not be morals without justice; and though justice might possibly support a
democracy, yet a democracy cannot possibly support justice." Here
speaks the old Calvinism which finds milder expression in John Adams.
-
- Russell
Kirk, The Conservative Mind from Burke to Eliot, p.168
- That
zeal which flared like Greek fire in Randolph burned in Calhoun, too; but it
was contained in the Cast-Iron Man as in a furnace, and Calhoun's passion
glowed out only through his eyes. No man was more stately, more reserved,
more regularly governed by an inflexible will. Calvinism moulded John C.
Calhoun's character as it shaped his speeches and books; for though the
dogma proper was dying in him as it had decayed in the Adamses—so that
Calhoun, like John Adams, squinted toward Unitarianism—still there
remained that relentless acceptance of logic, that rigid morality, that
servitude to duty; and these things made the man constant in purpose,
prodigious in energy.
-
- Russell
Kirk, The Conservative Mind from Burke to Eliot, p.225
- This
revolt of the masses against the social establishments, property, and
intellectual traditions of the West, commencing in 1789, has continued with
only uneasy intermittent truces down to the middle of the twentieth century.
John Quincy Adams, judging from his prospect of France, said it might mean
the return of barbarism; for popular detestation of the past, [p.226] once
awakened, does not limit itself to annihilation of governments and
economies: if the arts and sciences seem prerogatives of a minority, or if
they appear to impede gratification of popular appetites, they are involved
in the general catastrophe. No possibility could have been better calculated
to rouse the mind of New England in opposition to radical innovation.
Severe, industrious, practical, and Calvinistic, New England character also
displayed a reverence for learning; nowhere, not even in Scotland, were
schooling and reading more general; and an informed public opinion began to
stir against Gallic notions as soon as the French Revolution commenced.
"Resistance to something was the law of New England nature," Henry
Adams writes in his Education; yet despite their reforming-itch, the New
Englanders were in their hearts deeply attached to their ancestral
institutions and alarmed at impersonal forces which were sweeping their
little civilization into the rapids of nineteenth-century innovation.
-
- Russell
Kirk, The Conservative Mind from Burke to Eliot, p.243
- "Experience
has ever shown, that education, as well as religion, aristocracy, as well as
democracy and monarchy, are, singly, totally inadequate to the business of
restraining the passions of men, of preserving a steady government, and
protecting the lives, liberties, and properties of the people." This
admonition by John Adams meant nothing to Emerson. Only the balancing of
passion, interest, and power against opposing passion, interest, and power
can make a state just and tranquil, said Adams. John Adams believed the
existence of sin to be an incontrovertible fact; while Emerson, discarding
with the forms of Calvinism the very essence of its creed, never admitted
the idea of sin into his system. "But such inveterate and persistent
optimism," Charles Eliot Norton remarks of his friend Emerson,
"though it may show only its pleasant side in such a character as
Emerson's, is dangerous doctrine for a people. It degenerates into
fatalistic indifference to moral considerations, and to personal
responsibilities; it is at the root of much of the irrational sentimentalism
of our American politics."
-
Recognition
of the abiding power of sin is a cardinal tenet in conservatism. Quintin
Hogg, in his vigorous little book The Case for Conservatism,
re-emphasizes the necessity for this conviction. For conservative thinkers
believe that man is corrupt, that his appetites need restraint, and that the
forces of custom, authority, law, and government, as well as moral
discipline, are required to keep sin in check. One may trace this conviction
back through Adams [p.244] to the Calvinists and Augustine, or through Burke
to Hooker and the Schoolmen and presently, in turn, to St. Augustine—and,
perhaps (as Henry Adams does) beyond Augustine to Marcus Aurelius and his
Stoic preceptors, as well as to St. Paul and the Hebrews.
- Russell
Kirk, The Conservative Mind from Burke to Eliot, p.254
- Now
belief in the dogma of original sin has been prominent in the system of
every great conservative thinker—in the lofty Christian resignation of
Burke, in the hard-headed pessimism of Adams, in the melancholy of Randolph,
in the "Calvinistic Catholicism" of Newman.
Kevin C.
http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/index.htm
---------------------------------------------
And they shall beat their swords into plowshares
and sit under their Vine & Fig Tree.
Micah 4:1-7
- Subject:
Re: Calvin's America
Date: 4/30/2001 1:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: KEVIN4VFT
Message-id: <20010430160321.19060.00000733@ng-ma1.aol.com>
In message-id: <20010429233723.05439.00000626@ng-ca1.aol.com> dated:
4/29/2001 8:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, RJohnson64
writes:
Kevin
posted the following:
Russell
Kirk, The Conservative Mind from Burke to Eliot, p.168
- That
zeal which flared like Greek fire in Randolph burned in Calhoun, too; but it
was contained in the Cast-Iron Man as in a furnace, and Calhoun's passion
glowed out only through his eyes. No man was more stately, more reserved,
more regularly governed by an inflexible will. Calvinism moulded John C.
Calhoun's character as it shaped his speeches and books; for though the
dogma proper was dying in him as it had decayed in the Adamses—so that
Calhoun, like John Adams, squinted toward Unitarianism—still there
remained that relentless acceptance of logic, that rigid morality, that
servitude to duty; and these things made the man constant in purpose,
prodigious in energy.
>
Calvinism
moulded Calhoun's character, yet he "squinted towards
> Unitarianism"???
You do understand, don't you, that Calvin
> oversaw
the death of a Unitarian, one Michael Servetus, who was
> burned
at the stake for denying the Trinity and teaching Unitarianism?
You
do understand, don't you, that "Calvinism" is a political philosophy
as well as a view about theology and predestination? A person can reject
predestination and still hold a Calvinist political philosophy.
>
How
then, can Kirk seriously make the claim that Calvinism shaped
>
the
character of a person who leaned towards Unitarianism?
Because
Calhoun was still a political Calvinist.
I don't think you're aware of how political Calvinism was back in the days of
our Founding Fathers. Get
a taste here.
"Calvinism" cannot be limited to pure theology
>
How
can someone who embraces, or even tends toward,
> Unitarianism
hold to the doctrine of Calvinism which requires
> acceptance
of the Triune nature of God?
You
speak of "the" doctrine of Calvinism. That's a mistake.
Calhoun rejected one doctrine of Calvinism but held to many
others.
He held to a doctrine of Calvinism which holds that men are sinful and that a
government of checks and balances is required. This distinguishes him from the
French Revolutionaries of his day.
"Calvinism"
does not consist in just one doctrine. There are many doctrines in
"Calvinism." There are many theological doctrines, and many political
doctrines. Did you look at any of the links I posted? Just because a person
rejects one aspect of Calvinist theology does not mean he has also rejected the
totality of Calvinist political theory.
>
Perhaps
the characteristics you are pointing to in our founders are
> better
labeled something other than Calvinist, for as far as I can see
> at
this time, by labelling them Calvinist you open your argument to
> confusion.
Not
among the well-informed. Russell Kirk is very well informed.
>
However,
I digress...you have made your argument, it must stand or
> fall
on its own merits.
>
Are
you familar with Robert Nordlander? He writes an interesting
> series
of articles which address the idea of Calvinism influencing
> our
founders. Here is the link, for your convenience.
>
>
A
Critical Response to Bernard Katz On Our Founding Fathers
>
> The
words of Madison and Jefferson with reference to the nature of
> and
benefit of religion in the United States are well worth the read.
I've
seen much better articles. The facts are thin and the logic is fallacious
through and through. Just because someone rejects predestination does not
mean they believe in a purely atheistic government. Adams violated the
ACLU myth of "separation" at every turn. This article contains some
very bad reasoning.
In
fact, I'd be embarrassed to rely on this article if I were a separationist. I've
never seen an article that more clearly commits this basic fallacy, and it makes
obvious the point that anti-Calvinists and Unitarians can be -- and were -- very
conservative and can use the government to endorse and promote their brand of
theism.
I've
written
A
Critical Response to "A Critical Response to Bernard Katz On Our
Founding Fathers"
I
invite your comments.
Kevin C.
http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/index.htm
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And they shall beat their swords into plowshares
and sit under their Vine & Fig Tree.
Micah 4:1-7
Subject: Re: Calvin's America
Date: 4/30/2001 1:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: KEVIN4VFT
Message-id: <20010430161607.19060.00000735@ng-ma1.aol.com>
Calvin was a product of his times and believed many things which everyone in
that day believed, but which are rejected today. America rejects many of those
abuses because we were influenced by the genius of Calvin, who made it plain
that governments were obligated to be Christian. Many things governments did in
his day were not Christian. Calvin changed the world for the better, politically
speaking, as most of the Founding Fathers would agree. I can't think of a single
Unitarian 200 years ago who would not acknowledge a debt of freedom to Calvin.
I wrote:
I would undoubtedly have been
executed for my anarchistic views in any city in Europe in 1540. But secular
governments are far more lethal than Christian governments. Its no contest. You
can complain all you want about a nutcase like Servetus, but in a now-secular
America 4,000 mothers kill their own babies every day, and atheistic civil
governments have killed an average of 5,000 more innnocent people PER DAY every
day in the 20th century.
http://vftonline.org/XianAnarch/pacifism/rummel.htm
The author of the page you have
excerpted (whoever he or she is -- is this another triumph of Heather Anne
Buettner?) is clearly hostile to Christianity, but is spiritually blind to the
genocide of the messianic state.
Overall, Calvin's ideas brought
the flowering of western civilization and less-tyrannical republican
governments. Anti-Calvinist governments are best seen in Communist China and the
gulags of the "former" soviet union.
I'll take Calvin in a
heartbeat.
In message -id:
<20010430093736.24903.00002964@ng-mq1.aol.com> dated: 4/30/2001 6:37 AM
Pacific Daylight Time, RJohnson64 writes:
Thank
you for this clear explanation of how you would implement your version of
anarchy on the rest of society. I appreciate the discussion we have had,
and leave you to promulgate your theories and reconstruct your vision of
history. When you come into power and begin the purges, let me know...I'd
rather die on the stake than live in a society that conforms to your vision of
Christianity.
Are
you saying you're quitting the discussion??
What a disappointing, irrational, emotional response that would be.
My vision of Christianity is a decentralized, non-violent society described by
the Old Testament prophet Micah as a world in which men do not train for war and
everyone owns their own "Vine
& Fig Tree." You would rather live in a society in which people are
executed on the stake?? Why??? What kind of mindless reactionary nonsense is
this?
Kevin C.
http://vftonline.org/EndTheWall/index.htm
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And they shall beat their swords into plowshares
and sit under their Vine & Fig Tree.
Micah 4:1-7
In
the sixteenth century the intimate association of Church and state was assumed
to be natural and desirable by all but a small minority. The distinction was
really not that of Church and state as we understand these today, but between
the ecclesiastical and the secular government of the same community. The word
"theocracy" is often applied to the Geneva of Calvin's time, but the
word is now ambiguous to most minds. Many confuse "theocracy," the
rule of God, with "hierocracy," the rule of the clergy. With reference to
Geneva, James Mackinnon, indeed, suggests the word "clerocracy." "Bibliocracy"
and "christocracy" have been proposed by other writers. Certainly the
system was a theocracy in the sense that it assumed responsibility to God on the
part of secular and ecclesiastical authority alike, and proposed as its end the
effectual operation of the will of God in the life of the people. In principle,
at least, it was not hierocratic. Calvin wished the magistrates, as agents of
God, to have their own due sphere of action. but so intense was his
consciousness of vocation, and so far did his mental energy outstrip that of his
political associates, that he ultimately gained ascendancy to the point of
mastery.
To
say that he ruled as a dictator is, in our generation, to raise to the
imagination a figure in the similitude of Hitler, Mussolini, or Stalin, living
as chief actor in a drama of lawless power. with secret police, armed guards,
vainglorious titles and insignia, massed demonstrations, and vociferous public
acclaim. Calvin used lawful means, went unarmed and unguarded, lived modestly
and without display, sought advice from many, claimed no authority save as a
commissioned minister of the Word, assumed no title of distinction or political
office. It was not until Christmas Day, 1559, after he had been instrumental in
the admission of hundreds of refugees to citizenship, that he himself, on
invitation of the magistrates, became a citizen. He had avoided seeking this
privilege lest a charge of political ambition be raised to add to his
difficulties.
John
T. McNeill, The History and Character of Calvinism, Oxford Univ. Press,
1954, pp. 183ff.
CALVINISM AND REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT